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| Posted
2009-08-05: |
| (Updated
2009-08-12) |
| Carl
Rosaia asks: |
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Leona Roberts was found nude and the only thing she had was
a ring on her ring finger. |
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David Faraday was found clenching a ring in his hand. |
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The two were noted as dying on Dec 21, one in 1968 one in
1969. |
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A misprint in the Chronicle says Faraday died on Dec 21,
1969 while it was written in Nov 69. |
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The stamp on the Halloween Card has an Apollo 8 stamp on it. |
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The ring finger is also known as the Apollo finger. |
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The Apollo 8
mission was in full swing on Dec 21st.
[Apollo 8 was launched
on December 21, 1968.] |
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Why do you suppose two things? |
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First: |
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Why out of all the dates that Zodiac had for killing or
sending letters did he choose the date Dec 21 twice? |
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Second: |
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All the letters containing stamps on them are all consistent
using president stamps except the single Apollo 8 stamp.
Why do you feel Z chose the Apollo 8 stamp for this Letter /
card? |
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Carl, |
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In my view, Zodiac wrote one
letter posted 12/20/69 to Melvin Belli. This could indicate
Zodiac was harking back to his 12/20/68 attack at Lake Herman
Road. Zodiac, at Lake Berryessa on 9/27/69, left on the victim's
car door in felt tip pen, "12/20/68", indicating he was
claiming credit for those murders. I don't find any other
letters dated 12/20/ of any year. |
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Of interest to me is that two
females, Nancy Warren and Clyda Delaney, were viciously
murdered in Northern California on 10/13/68 and Zodiac sent
a letter posted on 10/13/69, a year to the day of the crime
there. It has been thought by some authorities that a
member(s) of Manson's group may have been involved. Some of
them were in the area of the murders at that time and Manson
was very angry with the authorities there for arresting some
of his people, etc. |
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So you can see there are
different views. |
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The Pines card was sent on
3/22/71, the one-year anniversary of the Kathleen Johns
attack. |
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Leona Roberts, the female
you refer to with the "ring," disappeared 12/10/69 and Zodiac
– as I believe – had mailed a torn page from an astrology
magazine with a paste up message (as given in our book) on
that same day. Ms. Roberts body was found 12/28/69 and that
is the Date of Death given on her Certificate of Death and
other reports posted elsewhere on this site. She is not
officially considered a Zodiac victim. |
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So we have only one one-year-to-the-day
anniversary letter date. Possibly two for those who accept
the Kathleen Johns attack as being made by Zodiac. |
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Taking Zodiac's sometimes
to-the-day anniversary dates into consideration, the Halloween Card
was postmarked 10/27/70. This harks back to 10/27/69 when
Bruce Davis was released from jail. (Manson, Davis and
others were arrested at Barker Ranch in Death Valley at 6:30
PM on 10/12/69.) Go back thirteen months to 9/27/69 and that
was the date of the Zodiac attack at Lake Berryessa |
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On 7/27/69 the Manson
people killed Gary Hinman. They also murdered Jerome
"Shorty" Shea during a full moon on 8/27/69. |
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So, as an FYI only, we have
the dates of: 7/27/69, 8/27/69, 9/27/69 10/27/69 and
10/27/70. |
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Actually, the Apollo stamp as
found on the 10/27/70 Zodiac card was used on the 10/5/70 “bloody
cross” card, too. (Bruce Davis was born 10/5, FYI.) I don't
see an Apollo or ring finger connection, but there could
possibly be a connection to the "In the beginning God..." on
the stamp. Zodiac was certainly not a firm believer or
promoter of God as seen in his letters and as we view his
crimes, etc.! For him to select a stamp like this it would
certainly have to
focus
on that Biblical verse. Since I believe there was a Charles
Manson connection to Zodiac, I see this as referring to
Manson who told his people he was "God" come “to earth for
the last time.” |
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We all have various
speculations about this difficult complex case because it is
unsolved.
But we all have that freedom, which is good.
–
HD |
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| Posted
2009-09-03: |
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Anonymous asks: |
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The
latest "Story" by Debra Perez, AKA JFK's illegitimate
daughter, AKA helped her step dad the Zodiac she
says,,,,,,,,,,,, has said she knows that her step dad, Guy
Hendrickson, knew Manson and all the hippies he hung
with,,,,,, have you EVER heard of this GUY? |
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Has she ever contacted you? |
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Thank you! |
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Ms. Perez seems sincere. I think that she is deriving her
information from "recovered" childhood memories - a very
controversial subject in psychiatry. Her counselor, though a
dedicated professional, seems to have assisted this process
and may even be convinced to some degree she did experience
the events of her past as they supposedly relate to her
father being the Zodiac killer! |
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We had
been in contact by emails from time to time, but not
recently. She and I did agree that it would be forensics
that would determine the validity of her claims and not her
memory of past events. That would be the cart before the
horse! |
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I have
no real proof her father had anything to do with Manson at
any time. Ms. Perez can't supply any evidence either, except
for childhood memories. Even if her father did know Manson
and some associates this does not make him the Zodiac! |
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Again, I
think this whole scenario was brought about by her
counseling with recovered memories experiences coupled with
her own research into many of the suspects and theories
about Zodiac, including historical events, etc. This is from
what I found about her connection to Zodiac research. |
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She may
have been hypnotized (her counselor does practice clinical
hypnosis) during some of her counseling sessions, hence a
hybrid of information. |
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This is
my theory of the supposed Perez connection to Zodiac.
–
HD |
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| Posted
2009-09-08: |
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Jack Paddock asks: |
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I read that David Berkowitz
["Son of Sam"
Serial killer]
had ties to Manson. (Was) his satanic group part of
Manson's? |
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Over the years, whenever I
have run across this theory, I have never found any solid
information to prove or verify any part of it. |
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Remember, for any killer writing to the police or newspapers
after
Zodiac's missive series, this can be a copycat or mimic
approach by
also
writing public letters to get over their agenda, etc. In
other words, they were inspired by Zodiac's killing/letter
writing MO. |
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We find the BTK serial killer mentioning Zodiac in one of
his letters so he knew about Zodiac's letters and criminal
career and this, no doubt, inspired him to write public
oriented letters, etc.
–
HD |
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| Posted
2010-02-23: |
| (Updated
2010-03-05) |
| Carl
Rosaia replies: |
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I found your answer interesting. I believe you stated that
Leona was not OFFICIALLY a Zodiac victim. This is definitely
interesting to me because it is definitely a false premise.
Back in the 1970s there was a task force set up for the
Zodiac Killer and the first victim they linked to the Zodiac
was Leona . . . |
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. . . It is appropriate to mention that the military had WEE
[Western Equine Encephalitis]
and EEE
[Eastern Equine Encephalitis]
weaponized for military use in 1969. And coincidently Nixon
banned the use of said weapons in Dec. 1969.
Who had access and knowledge
of this sort of weapon? |
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Its also mentionable that WEE and EEE are carried by
mosquitoes and in November, but mostly in late October,
mosquitoes go into a hibernation. No cases of WEE or EEE
were reported to Centers of Disease Control. Friends and
family members always questioned how it was that she was
abducted and then died of an unknown virus that authorities
attribute to a mosquito bite . . . |
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. . .
Answer this for me: |
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WHAT ARE THE ODDS THAT A PERSON WOULD GET KIDNAPPED AND NOT
GET KILLED BY A CONVENTIONAL WEAPON, AND END UP DYING FROM A
MOSQUITO BITE ONLY 10 DAYS LATER . . . |
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. . .
First off in Nov 1969 just one month prior to the Leona
kidnapping Zodiac threatened the Bay Area with an Ammonium
Nitrate Fertilizer Bomb, very similar to the more recent
works of the late Timothy McVey. These threats needed to be
looked at from the perspective of a military weapons expert
to verify that they were actually crude but could be
constructed using easily purchased materials. |
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ONE MONTH not a very long span of time. |
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Zodiac wrote: "If you think I am going to take on a school
bus like I said you should have holes in your head." .
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I have already dealt with
Leona.
[See above.]
She is a possible Zodiac victim, that's all I can say after
researching her case. As found in our book, I was the first
to point to the "Want Zodiac" paste up that was sent to the
Sacramento Bee newspaper, and how the envelope postmark date lined up
with Leona's disappearance. |
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found at a lagoon or a body of water. So there is a "water
connection" for those so inclined. Manson himself - as per
his close friend Paul Watkins - told some in the Family they
had to do certain things near a body of water and where
roads intersected. He used Revelation, chapter 10 to
indicate why. Remember, he felt he was the returned Christ
(and the Devil all in one person! FYI.) |
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that is mentioned (and that was supposedly found in Leona)
could be obtained by horse owners to counteract mosquito
bites imperiling a horse’s health. At the Spahn Ranch where
Manson lived there were numerous mosquitoes that people
would complain about, and of course lots of horses. They
needed vet attention from time to time and they needed
county approval for having so many horses, etc. Manson or
Bruce Davis could certainly have obtained that virus
vaccine. If something was illegal they could still get it!
FYI |
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Zodiac describes was found in many anti-detection and
paramilitary type books sold in the 1960s - 70s time period.
They could, as Zodiac said, be obtained on the “open
market.”
We know Zodiac
threatened to "blow
people up," but never did. Patricia Krenwinkel said that, "Bruce
Davis was always saying he was going to
blow
somebody up" but she
thought "it was all talk."
There was a bomb maker that on occasion was a Manson
associate. Danny DeCarlo knew bomb making, too. He was an
expert on firearms.
– HD |
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Posted
2010-05-01: |
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Anonymous asks: |
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I recently read that Dr.
George Hodel, the potential Black Dahlia killer, ran a
public health clinic at the "First Street Clinic" in Los
Angeles. I also read that members of the Manson
family received VD shots at this clinic. Is it not possible
that Hodel had befriended the "Family" there? The famous
Zodiac police sketch, to me, matches George Hodel and not
Bruce Davis. However, Dr. Hodel kept Davis in mind when he
planned the Zodiac murders. For examples, using slang
expressions in the Zodiac letters, known to be used by Bruce
Davis. (W)hat do you think? |
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This is well known and it's
even mentioned in books about Manson and I do know that some
in the Family went to a clinic in San Francisco because of
VD. I am uncertain if any of them went to a clinic in Los
Angeles for this same purpose. In the books The Family
as well as My Life With Charles Manson going to a
clinic for VD is mentioned. I would refer you to these two
books. |
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I do not in any way believe
that Dr. George Hodel was the Zodiac or was involved in any
way. I favor Davis as being very close to the Zodiac
composite. I had an anatomical artist that had worked for
IBM compare transparencies she made of Davis and the Zodiac
composite and it was her opinion they
matched
as to basic bone structure, etc. She was quite surprised. |
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I lean towards Davis being involved in the
Zodiac scenario as found in Dave Peterson's forward to my
book. No one knows who the Zodiac was as to proving it with
sound forensic evidence that would stand up in court. It is
an unsolved case. |
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See my book as well as the
Zodiac Vortex website
[See
the Related Site Links page.]
and see how Davis "morphs"
into the Zodiac composite. There are other Zodiac suspects
to compare there, too. This site has some interesting
indentation frames of some Zodiac missives.
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HD |
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Posted
2010-05-14: |
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Jeff Butler asks: |
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There was a
ring found on Leona Roberts with the initials JAS. One of
Manson's family members went by the name Joseph Andrew
Shumacker. Has this ever been looked in to? |
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I believe
the Manson Family was involved along with a bigger player
who had a lot to gain. |
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I believe
the 340 cipher was made up of many ciphers and is a
manifesto of who killed the victims and the names of the
killers. I believe the Zodiac was never acting alone. |
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Good sharp
eye! But, it was found to be the initials of a friend of
Leona’s who gave her the ring. It had been cleared up and
published in the newspapers.
–
HD
[Click
here and see
the third newspaper article on the Leona Roberts page.] |
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Posted
2010-07-07: |
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Powell asks: |
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Is there
any DNA work being currently done (Cold case wise) to keep
Bruce Davis behind bars? |
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To my
knowledge, no, there is no testing currently being done.
Dave Peterson, the former police reporter for the Vallejo
Times-Herald newspaper who had researched the Zodiac
case since the first attack in 1968, had some connection in
the FBI. I don't know how close they were, but Dave told me
he had some degree of influence. He requested I send him
some letters from Bruce Davis that I had to have them
checked for DNA and then have the profile run for any
possible matches that could come up. |
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After
some time Dave’s friend, or connection, told him he was
returning the letters because it was
“stopped
at the top.” (Or "blocked from the top'' or words to that
effect.) He, or this employee of the FBI, did all he could
to get the letters checked for DNA - but was thwarted. Dave
was upset as was I. We both thought we finally had someone
who would help us. It took several weeks - possibly one
month or more - before Dave could get my letters back from
the FBI. |
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For
having Bruce Davis' record being checked at Criminal
Identification and Investigation (CII) in Sacramento and how
it, too, failed please see Detective Charles Davis' email.
[Click
here.] We finally
heard from Charlie after years of trying to locate him to
confirm my story about my previous contact with him and his
former partner when they had a detective agency near where I
worked at the time. Actually, he contacted us when he
found our book on the Internet! |
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Another failed attempt was by a lady who was involved in
security and who knew a former detective, then retired in
Sacramento or its environs, who knew people at CII, etc. He
even told her he will “get the information” on Bruce Davis.
After a short time he called this lady and told her in so
many words he could "not" obtain any records as they had "Davis
buried deep."
She said those were his very words, "buried deep"!
–
HD |
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Posted
2010-09-10: |
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Diane asks: |
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On your
website you write about Kathleen Johns, "From
her past experiences with patients (she was a nurse) she
felt he was mentally ill." Is this highly interesting point
a part of the interview with Kathy? |
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This
comment was from the interview that Kathleen Johns had with
Robert Graysmith. She had approved of this interview as
being correct. When we interviewed her we ran out of tape.
There were other things she said that didn’t get recorded.
She said the driver,
from his hard, cold stare with no trace of emotion in his
voice along with his whole demeanor, seemed like some of the
patients she had dealt with.
She used to work with
patients that had mental issues and I think she even
said she had been to where one of the Manson girls, Leslie
Van Houton, was in prison! She said, "He obviously was
sick," he had "deadpan eyes" and he was “not aware what he
was doing or that it was him doing it.” |
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A friend
of Kathleen’s, a Ms. Davis, (who was also a nurse)
confirmed by telephone that Johns had worked with these
kinds of patients when she was younger
and that the stranger driving had reminded Kathy of some of
those patients. She
also said Kathy had told her the story many times in answer
to Davis' questions and had wept over that fact that some
were not only accusing her of lying but making fun of her
too. Davis thought that since Kathy was “hippie-like” that
the redneck type or country police out there didn't take her
story seriously. |
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When you put together all of
the various interviews Kathleen Johns did it makes a fairly
complete story. All basic elements agree. –
HD |
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Posted
2011-02-10: |
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Michael
Oliver asks: |
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Why do you
persist to suspect Bruce Davis in the Zodiac killings when
the police have cleared him in each and every case? Do you
have information other than what has been stated? Most of
what I have seen is just random speculation that no trained
investigator would view as evidence. |
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Thank you
for your question. I have wished many times that I had
a different suspect. But I have followed a tip I received in
1974. From researching this tip Bruce Davis is the only
suspect I could connect to Zodiac. If it had not been for
this tip I probably would not have researched the Zodiac
case. It has been very difficult. |
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We are
dealing with a person who lived a nomadic or transient
lifestyle and left very few clues. Many have told me Bruce
Davis was “very secretive or mysterious.” According to old
members of Charles Manson's clan they all “feared” him.
Getting information on him has been worse than pulling
teeth. People have ruled Davis out because of his
handwriting – examples taken from letters written in the
latter 1980s and 1990s! As two experts have told me,
handwriting can change over the years. And who says that the
clue-conscious Zodiac even used his real writing style? Is
there any proof? There is none! |
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I greatly
dislike researching Davis and the Manson Family. I, as you
say, "persist" because continuously, at junctures of time, new
information arises. I will give some examples: |
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For several
years I felt it was necessary to find a connection between
Bruce Davis and Lake Tahoe from where Donna Lass vanished.
Some suspect, as I do, that this was done by Zodiac. Some
don't. Then I obtained a parole report for Bruce Davis. In
this report Davis says that he “worked in [Lake] Tahoe” and
Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. (Vallejo Police Department reports
say Darlene Ferrin and her husband went to Harrisburg!).
Davis says he had a "fake driver's license." He had said in
an interview that while in Lake Tahoe there were two “older
ladies” he associated with. He has said he worked as a “bar
boy” (as they called them then) and as a waiter. Was this in
the same hotel/casino where Donna worked? I don't know. But
here is a man that was from a small town in Tennessee and he
worked in Lake Tahoe. Now, if someone who was a suspect
worked or visited Lake Tahoe and they lived in the North Bay
area this would not be, in my view, as notable. |
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Donna Lass'
sister Mary sent us a work bio of her younger sister from
1965 to 1970. I was very surprised to learn that Donna had
lived in Santa Barbara, California from '67-69. I had known
she worked at Cottage Hospital in Santa Barbara, but not as
early as '67. We have a picture of Charles Manson's 1967
driver’s license on our site. It shows what I had known for
some years that he lived in Santa Barbara off-and-on on Bath
St. Bruce Davis visited there between 1967 and 1970. Cottage
Hospital is on the corner of Bath St./Pueblo, only a short
distance from Manson’s address. Manson’s address is also
quite close to where Donna lived.
[Click
here to see the Lass Related Information page.] |
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Zodiac told
Brian Hartnell and Cecelia Shepard at Lake Berryessa he was
an escaped convict from Deer Lodge, Montana. The only other
city named Deer Lodge I could find in all of the US is in
Tennessee, and not that far from where Davis was reared. |
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From a
letter he wrote I placed Davis in Anaheim, California in
1964-66. According to Ed Sanders, who had a private
detective helping him, he left the area in "Nov.'66 dropping
out and becoming a transient under grounder." (The
Confession letter was sent Nov. 29,1966!) Anaheim is close
to Riverside or about a 30 minute or less drive in those
days. Davis can be placed near the Cheri Bates murder in
Riverside. As per the newspapers and the yearbook for
Riverside City College, which I have, there was a massive
construction project going on at the college during ‘66-‘67.
Union workers came from all over to work there. Davis was a
pipe fitter/painter/welder and was a union member. The
general contractor was Near Cal in Anaheim, very near where
Davis lived at that time. |
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I have no
hard proof Davis killed Bates, but I can place him in that
area at that time. His prison counselor taught school at one
of the high schools in Riverside back then. He told a friend
of mine that, in conversation, Davis told him he lived in
Riverside for a time. One researcher then found that Davis
had lived on Lemon St. in Riverside in late 1966 very close
to the Riverside Police Department and to Cheri's home and
the RCC. [Click
here to see the Anaheim/Riverside page.] |
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As an
aside, according to the phone book, there was a "Zodiac"
print shop in Anaheim in the ‘60's. Davis was Editor in
Chief (I always think of Zodiac’s “Dear Editor” letter
opening) of his high school yearbook so it's possible he may
have worked there as he has said he took various jobs
outside his profession for short periods of time. |
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There are
many things that others and I have discovered that are not
in our book or on our site to date. I keep being amazed at
connections I am finding, but it takes lots of time, money
and patience. There is more than enough to keep me searching
or believe me I would have dropped this whole burdensome
task long ago! |
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You mention
Law Enforcement having “cleared” Davis. But who has not solved a
45 year-old case even with all of the evidence that has been
accumulated? Why are we here? We are the result of LE
failing – for whatever reasons – to catch Zodiac! Numerous
times in criminal history has there been a suspect that was
"cleared" only many years later to find “new evidence”
showing the cleared suspect to be the perpetrator! |
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I
understand your question. I fully realize what I am doing
and will continue to, as you say, “persist.” I have tried to
bring out Zodiac facts and to discover anything that might
apply to the case. I have tried to help others with their
research if I have been able and it was prudent. I have made
contacts with those that may shed light on the case. |
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I also
think of the victims and their families. Justice is delayed
for them. My prayer is that Law Enforcement and/or
researchers will be able to solve this case. It does not
matter by whom, just that it is solved. And if the Zodiac
Killer is still alive, as I suspect, then that he be brought
before a court of law to answer. Thank you again for your
direct question. – HD |
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Posted
2011-09-20: |
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Charles R
asks: |
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Now that
all the former family members are "born again" (the ones in
prison) have they been interviewed about any knowledge about
the Zodiac? |
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I have
studied the Manson case and read all the books and reports,
etc. but still familiarizing myself with Zodiac. Watson is
now a minister and expresses sympathy and remorse for his
victims as do Krenwinkel, Davis and Van Houten. If they are
truly born again and sorry for their crimes wouldn't they
reveal any information if any to ease the suffering of the
victims' families? Have they been questioned? Have other
former members such as Clem and others out on the streets
been questioned? Wouldn’t it be worth the time and effort to
do so? |
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Also I read
Tex Watson's book and he expresses sympathy for the Tate/LaBianca
victims. Wasn’t he said to have been involved in Shorty's
murder? How come he was not charged when others involved
said he was a part of it? Wouldn’t he express the same
sympathy to the Shea family as well? But he never mentions
it in his book. Just curious. Thank you for your time. |
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Charles,
Thanks for your question. |
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Bruce Davis
was questioned about Riverside at our suggestion by a
BBC interviewer and when he was asked about Riverside he
showed surprise (his head was resting on his hand and his
elbow slipped!) but he did not answer the question. We later
found out from a prison counselor of his that Davis had
lived in Riverside. This counselor had been a teacher there
in the 1960s, and this caused Bruce to mention to him that
he had lived in Riverside then. But when I wrote to the
counselor he said that since he “works with Davis” he did
not feel he should further “discuss anything personal,” etc.
I felt Davis had told him not to communicate with me. |
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Davis was
asked by an old friend, again, at our suggestion, if
he had been involved in the Zodiac case in any way and his
reply was, “I have not been charged in the Zodiac case so I
can't answer that question.” |
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In a 1974
CII interview Davis was asked about a double homicide that
many in Law Enforcement knew he had information
concerning. He refused to cooperate with the Agent
interviewing him. This exemplifies his stance - one of
non-cooperation. This posture that he has taken over the
years certainly must be one of the hindrances to his parole
and release from prison. |
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Since I
know Davis' past fairly well I do know he took various drugs
- as he has said, LSD, marijuana, speed, cocaine, etc. He
said he started taking drugs around 1965/6 when he lived in
Anaheim and didn’t stop until he was in prison. It is well
known that these drugs can create micro damage in the brain
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I think
Davis is not thinking and reasoning properly and has shown
this over the years. On top of this he was diagnosed with
borderline complex personality disorders. These people are
mentally impaired to some degree due to their pre-prison
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Charles
"Tex" Watson has been asked, in some cases through a third
party, about the Zodiac case and has never given any
information. The fact that he was partly responsible for
Jerome "Shorty" Shea's death and has not admitted it shows
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Years ago I
tried to find out through a contact if the late Susan Atkins
knew about the Zodiac case. She indicated her “memory of the
past was very poor” and that she could not help. She did
tell me by letter that she did remember going to Sacramento,
CA (this happened in December 1968) with some in the Manson
group and could recall the house where they visited and
“even the driveway” but that was about it. The owner of that
house had a small candy company and his name was Phil.
Manson called candy, "zezos." Note the Zs. He conjured up other
names with Zs. To him Z was the last letter in line - so an
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As to why
these people have not come forward with information on other
crimes they must know about is anyone's guess. As is well
known and as Davis has said, you don't snitch in prison. It
can be fatal. Also, their lawyers no doubt have told them,
as any lawyer will say, do not talk about crimes you have
not been charged with. I will agree prison is a very
dangerous place to talk to Law Enforcement! But, if they
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I will also
say, and this is not an excuse for not helping LE, but being
converted in prison is not like going to church on the
outside and entering and learning a new faith. They learn
about faith in a hostile environment, a synthetic life style
filled with hardened criminals. They also seem to feel that
they are “forgiven by God” as the late Susan Atkins has said
and that the “past is gone.” But what they don't consider is
that this is an inward spiritual matter and the justice
system deals with law, judgment and society - two different
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Remember,
these now ex-Manson members entered prison as criminals and
murderers themselves, and had no faith for many years. Being
human they all want to get out of prison. If they confess to
being involved in other crimes they were not charged with it
will be a much longer stay - probably for life. And, of
course they will forever sleep with one eye open! – HD |
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I was
looking at the Zodiac article at Wikipedia and followed
links to the cipher investigations. I noticed an instance
that doesn't seem to be explained that I have a theory
about. The first three letters at the end of the 408 are “EBE”.
Could these three letters be the real name or initials of
Zodiac? Ebe is a common name. The translation would roughly
be “Ebe faces east to the hidden place. End”. |
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Much has
been said and written concerning this topic; but no one has
brought us to a definable termination or solution with the
standard rules of code verification. Until that time all are
certainly welcome to develop any plausible theory they can
because who knows if that will be the long sought after
solution! You have something, so keep on thinking and
researching outside the box - don't even see a box! It is
admirable that you and others have taken the time and
engaged in focusing on such difficult Zodiac case
components. I applaud you and them! |
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Zodiac
wrote about his first, 3-part code, “In this cipher is my
identity.” With the famed word jumble at the end of the code
I see Zodiac as possibly referring to the
revolutionary Robert Emmet (with a possible double meaning
of Robert E. Lee.) One definition of the word identity
means to identify with or “the quality or condition
of being the same as something else,” (The American Heritage
Dictionary) and this may have been Zodiac's intent. |
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Then after
the cipher was solved it showed that he instead had said, “I
will not give you my name because you will try to sloi (sic)
down or stop my collecting of slaves,” i.e. victims. The
name is personal and can mean John Doe or some such name. He
tells us that if he gives his personal or real name he will
get caught! Not too hard to understand! |
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Now, we do
know Zodiac used monikers, his most used and well-known one
being “Zodiac.” They are: Zodiac-Z, the Killer, the
Murderer, rh, Secret Pal, Me, a friend, Red Phantom-RP, a
Citizen. So if he does place his “name” in a code it may be
another moniker like, if I am right, Robert Emmet, etc. |
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Of course,
Zodiac could and did change and may have cleverly inserted
his real name in a code. That remains to be seen, but it is
something we should keep looking for. – HD |
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I am
wondering if anyone has ever checked the back of the postage
stamps for DNA. That technology might not have been
available at the time the letters were sent. |
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As with the
“bloody” fingerprints left on Paul Stine’s cab in San
Francisco, there is some confusion and controversy regarding
DNA relative to the Zodiac. The following letters have been
found to have only a very few cells for possible DNA
testing: 11/08/69, 12/20/69, 4/20/70, 6/26/70, 7/24/70,
7/26/70, 10/13/70 and 1/29/74. |
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There are
about seven Zodiac letters that are missing from the San
Francisco Police Department Evidence Archives. This is a
massive dereliction of duty and is professionally
inexcusable. Somehow, however, the three 7/31/69 letters
turned up (!) some time ago and they were tested. |
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As to
stamps, no saliva has been found on any of them, despite the
claims of some, with the exception of the 4/24/78 missive. A
DNA sample was obtained but this has not been proven to be
an authentic Zodiac letter. |
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See
Zodiac Unmasked by Robert Graysmith, page 434. – HD |
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